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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon

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stripler join me as i examine

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unexplained creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explain the unexplained here on

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the paranormal king radio network

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i'm your host lon strickler coming to

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you within a candid shot

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of historic gettysburg pennsylvania

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thank you for joining me

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now i just want to mention a few things

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before we introduce the guest

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we've rescheduled the ask lawn anything

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chat on beyond explanation youtube

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channel

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uh that's been rescheduled for this

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coming sunday 27th of september

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at 9pm eastern time

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and i will be giving away some of my

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signed books to a few folks who ask

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questions so just go to the beyond

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explanation

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channel and find the live chat link hook

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on and

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we'll go for there we had a couple of

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this past wednesday with uh the internet

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so we went ahead and rescheduled it

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so hopefully everything will go off

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without a hitch

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now this week we we did get

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an interesting report that

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was uh followed up by uh tobias whalen

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over the singular fortune society he's

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also a member

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of our fan of monsters fortune research

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he this is something that came out of

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uh but let me read the email then we'll

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go from there uh

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the woman stated that according to

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my mother's friend who lives on 63rd

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and south pulaski road in chicago

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illinois

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there has been a rumor of mothman being

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present in our backyards

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now there have been disappearances of

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and neighbors around the area have

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noticed big

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chicken like footprints behind their

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now in my mother's friend's case she

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called law enforcement and detectives

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only to take pictures and quickly erase

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many of that in that of that area are

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or are warned not to go out at night

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when the thing appears uh

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her friend states that law enforcement

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seems to be covering the fact

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that this creature is around our

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i wanted to tell you because it's very

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i've grown up doing research on urban

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yet never knew it would hit so close to

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home thank you so much

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tobias followed up on this i

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um and i got this you know i got the

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complete report from him last week and

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say that people have been disappearing

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chicago about a mile

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from that intersection or areas just

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this i am gonna check into it maybe

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tobias will have some more information

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some strange footprints show up during

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uh you know this has always been a

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so tonight i welcome author

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cryptozoologist and ufologist nick

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to arcane radio nick is a full-time

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author and journalist specializing in a

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wide range

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of unsolved mysteries including bigfoot

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the loch ness monster ufo sightings

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alien reductions and paranormal

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nick works on the lecture circuit both

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in uk and overseas

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and has appeared in internationally

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syndicated shows discussing ufo

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his most recent title and the one we

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will be talking about tonight

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is monsters of the deep so nick thanks

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for coming on the show

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hey lon well thanks for having me on the

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show again

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it's always great to have you on here

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you're never you don't miss uh

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publishing a book here and there so

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we're always got plenty of stuff to talk

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you uh you you've also got a book coming

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titled the martians as well

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collided a little bit

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um with two different con companies

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one's called monsters of the deep

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the other one's called the martians but

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they're as i said they're both different

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uh companies but and very different

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subjects as well

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collectively you know the companies try

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avoid from having you know somebody

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a book at one point and somebody else

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they try and avoid that happening but

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the weird little things that sort of

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well i look forward to reading it um

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so monsters are deep interesting books

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got a lot in there it really does

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uh covers a lot of different subjects

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so let me ask you right off the bat what

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the same thing like a large snake-like

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almost like a horse's mane going down

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of these creatures not being sort of

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like 20 30 feet long but we're talking

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um a degree in reality but

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sort of history uh but not just history

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mythology for example

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of things like giant squid so i think

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were legitimate monsters other occasions

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born out of legend and mythology but

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creatures and slamming into ships and

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the captains and the crews actually went

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on the record you know we're not talking

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about

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mr x times type stories or anything like

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that

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came forward and said this is what we

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saw you know we saw this

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150 foot long creature that slammed into

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the ship

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and basically you know almost pulled the

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ship down

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and so if you go back and you look at

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the early reports

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you know we get to see a highly credible

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body of evidence that suggests strongly

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but

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at least up until say 150

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200 years ago there was a long body

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of sea serpents which for whatever

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reason

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seemed to have to a great degree of

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become

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possibly completely extinct or if not

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completely extinct

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you know their their presence is sort of

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really

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you know waning and i think that's

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probably

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down to the fact that you know animals

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are sort of

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on very unfortunately you know dropping

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in numbers

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elsewhere around the planet and a lot of

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it comes down to

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us the human race you know we're very

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clever intelligent people but we're

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highly destructive as well

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and i think um that has some degree

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on you know this entire issue

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of some of these animals that were

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seen quite regularly you know incredibly

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regularly at times

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um say two or three hundred years ago

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we're just not really seeing them as

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much

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as we did you know back then

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were there any uh ship disasters

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that were officially blamed on an

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encounter with a sea creature

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oh yeah i mean there's particularly in

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scandinavia

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you know where you've got denmark sweden

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norwich

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norway etc um in particular in those

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areas in scandinavia

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there are a lot of stories going back to

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particularly to the 1700s and the 1800s

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where um sailors captains reported

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seeing these creatures

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creatures and um one of the

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most notable um aspects of these stories

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was that for the most part these

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creatures were extremely

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violent and and i think that kind of

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ties in

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you know with as i mentioned earlier the

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tales of the kraken which

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you know in mythology was an extremely

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violent

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dangerous creature that would you know

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bring people

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or drag people i should say and pull

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ships down into the depths

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um so again i think you know when you

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look at these stories

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um that sort of blend mythology and

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reality

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we are actually seeing extremely

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you know violent um creatures that

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you know could bring down ships with

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just like a click of a finger you know

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so certainly of scandinavia

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and sort of northern europe those are

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some of the more intriguing areas when

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it comes to you know violence

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and people being dragged down and

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drowned etc

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really i i it's interesting to me

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because i never really thought about

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these creatures being seen in like the

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baltic or

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up in the north sea but apparently

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well yeah and i mean i think that's

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that's one of the important things you

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know when you're looking into these

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stories

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there's actually a lot that people don't

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realize you know about these stories

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they tell you that

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well this is garbage or yes this is it's

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this or it's that

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um people just don't realize

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you know the the reality behind so many

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of these stories as i said a lot of

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people think it's just

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a friend of a friend tails it's not i

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mean for example

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um one of the things i talk about in the

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book um

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is the are the the voluminous

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files which are held at the british

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national archives which are the

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the equivalents of the us national

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archives you know where the government

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keeps all its files etc

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well at the british national archives um

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in the old admiralty as it used to be

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called today it's called the royal navy

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when the admiralty existed a couple of

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centuries ago

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you can go there and read the old

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documents and the reports and the the

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diaries from the captains of the ships

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talking about these creatures and um

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you know you when you've got high highly

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credible people

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you know captains of ships etc talking

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about these

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encounters then you realize that when

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the government

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is collecting you know actually and

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literally

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creating sort of sea serpent files

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you know uh it's almost like an early

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x-files type situation you know

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and um so really just demonstrate you

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know the

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the validity of a lot of these cases

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yeah that's interesting because uh you

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know i've gone back and looked at

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a lot of the uh the newspaper accounts

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from back

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in the 19th century and uh you know

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occasionally you will come across

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you know a captain or

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either a sailor will will report that

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something had happened and some type of

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creature was seen

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and uh i mean there have been a few that

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are

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well known actually i mean i think most

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of them have been

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in the atlantic but uh yeah i was just

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wondering um

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you know officially and let's say just

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the u.s if there's been

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any uh uh official

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uh you know reports stating that oh you

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know

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this is the reason why the ship actually

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sank or people died and such

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yeah as i said you know this wasn't sort

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of like fairy tales and

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you know friend of a friend things this

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was this was a reality

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and of course you know the um the vast

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majority

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of the planet is water you know that's

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that's an undeniable fact

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and i think you know that back then

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i mean you know the planet was very

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different to what it

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is now you know the populations

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particularly the human populations and

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pollution and everything else um you

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know i think

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unfortunately there has been this sort

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of um

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decline of these creatures but you know

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we still do get reports like this

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now and again which lid sort of

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leads me to believe that you know there

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are at least some of them back

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you know are still around right now and

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that possibly you know the

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the very fact that some parts of the

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oceans are so incredibly deep

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you know that most of us you know we're

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not in positions to uh

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hire submarines you know many submarines

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for three months you know to go diving

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around i think that's again one of the

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other reasons why

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you know these creatures aren't seen so

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much their numbers are getting lower and

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lower

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but also they're doing their best to

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avoid us

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and pollution as well you put all that

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together you can easily see

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why you know there is this huge

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variation between

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what was seen in the 1700s versus

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what's seen in the 20th century

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yeah you talked about the kraken which

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supposedly it was a gigantic

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tentacle behemoth uh you know we do know

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the existence of giants

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uh squids uh that has been proven

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there's

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film and and such for that but you know

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how big can these creatures actually get

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i guess that's

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the main question well

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i mean if you look at most of the

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stories

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they talk about sightings of creatures

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round about sort of 40 to maybe

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70 feet in length and with bodies you

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know kind of like the size of

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you know like a huge beer barrel that

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kind of thing

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however there are some cases where the

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the crews were adamant that what they

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were seeing were

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in and around sort of the length of

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anywhere from about 90 to 120 feet long

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now if they're not exaggerations or

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mistakes

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you know we'll be talking about really

519
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huge incredibly side animals

520
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um and on top of that

521
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you know you you've got the intriguing

522
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aspect that many of the stories

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are similar as i said earlier on most of

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the crews

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it doesn't matter which part of the

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world it was you know down by south

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america

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uh the atlantic the pacific most of the

529
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people described seeing these things

530
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looking like giant snakes or giant

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serpents

532
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but with this weird kind of mane like a

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horse's mane down its head

534
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now of course back then you know there

535
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was no internet no photographs

536
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so i find it intriguing but across

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different parts of the world everybody

538
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was to pretty much was talking about

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these sort of manes

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running down the the head and neck of

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the animals and i think that's

542
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,159
an important thing to to note you know

543
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the the deep similarities

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um so you know when you're talking about

545
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some you know to get back to your points

546
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i mean

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they're incredibly huge and as i said

548
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i think things like uh giant squid

549
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were probably responsible for at least

550
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,679
some of these stories

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you know we don't get to see giant squid

552
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,400
that often when you do though

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i mean it really is like coming across

554
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a literal monster you know oh yeah i

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mean you can you can

556
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absolutely understand why uh in

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in a uh in a bit of fear mixed in

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the kind of it kind of look a lot bigger

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than what it actually is but

560
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,080
yeah but not nonetheless it's something

561
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,919
different and uh you know

562
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,840
you know many of us have read hp

563
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,039
lovecraft

564
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,000
and his literary and legendary monsters

565
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so do you think he based some of his

566
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,760
creations on these actual events

567
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,919
yeah and i and i don't think you know

568
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:05,200
we're talking about

569
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um you know scared me fabrications

570
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:11,520
or anything like that but what i do

571
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,400
think

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is that you know people not having seen

573
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:15,760
these

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00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:19,360
incredibly huge creatures not before

575
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you know i think it's easy to say

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well it's a sea serpent somebody else

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might say

578
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,480
no it's the kraken yeah this we've all

579
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:30,480
heard of this stuff with the kraken

580
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:33,840
so i think you know it's easy

581
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:37,919
to sort of turn a genuine unknown animal

582
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,000
into some sort of folkloric creature

583
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:43,840
you know the goat goes back to sort of

584
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,200
ancient rome and ancient greece etc etc

585
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:49,919
um but the important thing is it it

586
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,559
still demonstrates that there are

587
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,840
weird things out there now

588
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,480
there is an incident that i have written

589
00:23:02,950 --> 00:22:59,760
about in the past

590
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,960
but i saw that you also uh had written

591
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:04,640
about in the book was the bloop

592
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,240
phenomenon uh can you describe that uh

593
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,440
for the listeners yeah sure

594
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:13,520
well this is a really interesting story

595
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:14,559
because this

596
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:18,400
is um a relatively recent situation

597
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,070
way back in the 90s but um yeah

598
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,440
in the 1990s and particularly down by

599
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,480
uh between the coastal areas of south

600
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:37,440
america

601
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:42,080
leading down to the south polar areas

602
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:45,600
in the 1990s roughly around about 93 95

603
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:48,720
96 the reports

604
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,919
using sonar um of

605
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,159
incredibly huge what seems to be

606
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:55,760
incredibly huge

607
00:24:03,029 --> 00:23:59,120
creatures um under the waters

608
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,039
um very low levels and creatures that

609
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,360
really would be a kind of like

610
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:08,400
godzilla type you know sizes

611
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:11,919
and um a number of government u.s

612
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,120
um government agencies looked into this

613
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,480
because at first there were thoughts

614
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:21,120
that what was actually being picked up

615
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,240
were sort of

616
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,000
break-offs from large um icebergs

617
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:28,799
and they were sort of sinking and people

618
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:31,679
were mistaking them for large animals

619
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,400
however the further that the research

620
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,840
was undertaken

621
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,000
um it actually didn't seem to be the

622
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:39,520
case that these were not

623
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,799
sort of broken off icebergs that they

624
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,240
really were

625
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:46,080
massive animals you know and people

626
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,360
started making

627
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:50,559
parallels between with these creatures

628
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,840
with hp lovecraft's um cthulhu

629
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,600
you know they were sort of that's the

630
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:58,320
kind of thing they were talking about

631
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,159
um but over time even the people

632
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:04,240
in the government agencies like noaa

633
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,360
which is one of the

634
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,559
um agencies that handles um

635
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,679
you know sort of the um pollution

636
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,679
and the you know the current state of

637
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,360
the oceans etc

638
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,080
even they were sort of quite up very

639
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,760
open to the idea that

640
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:23,120
they really had picked up something um

641
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,039
using sonar uh of an incredible size

642
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,320
now the important thing is that

643
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,919
such was the belief or the suspicion

644
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,360
that they were talking about real

645
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,640
animals they actually

646
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,919
gave one of them a name and the name was

647
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:40,880
bloop

648
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,600
particularly monstrous name

649
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:48,000
but um but that's what they called it

650
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,880
and um

651
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,200
and if you do a google now on noaa which

652
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,279
is n-o-a-a

653
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,440
bloop you can actually find the

654
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,000
government's own files and its own

655
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,880
documents uh which again is kind of like

656
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,320
a modern-day

657
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:05,120
real-life x-files you know you had

658
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,000
people

659
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,799
um you know in the navy and you know

660
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,080
working in the oceans

661
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:12,480
trying to figure out what this creature

662
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,120
was and

663
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,760
and it was never resolved to this day

664
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,279
you had some people

665
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,520
who still believe that you know it

666
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:22,000
really was some sort of cthulhu-esque

667
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:22,840
type

668
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,520
creature others say well maybe it could

669
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:27,360
have been an iceberg you know a

670
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,200
portion of an iceberg came away but um

671
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,960
but i said the important thing is that

672
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,880
um even the noaa people

673
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,360
thought well this doesn't seem like

674
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,400
something

675
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,400
you know just a natural thing it really

676
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:41,760
does seem there was some

677
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,039
gigantic thing you know sort of

678
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,320
roaming around the oceans

679
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:51,039
you know i uh i talked to a friend who

680
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,159
was in the navy

681
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,159
about this about the time i wrote about

682
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:55,840
it i guess it was like

683
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,000
maybe 2008 and such and i asked him i

684
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:01,600
mean if he had ever heard of it he kind

685
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:02,080
of

686
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,600
laughed and said yeah he said that name

687
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,640
intelligence has actually

688
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,760
had done some investigation uh

689
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,080
you know they they were concerned that

690
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:14,240
there was something huge out there

691
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,520
you know and the first thing i thought

692
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,520
well maybe they're picking up a pot of

693
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,360
whales or something and

694
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,279
the way he explained to me it just

695
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,679
wasn't like that i mean this thing

696
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,880
was one being of something and it was

697
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,000
huge

698
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:31,200
so oh yeah and you can find them you

699
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:31,520
know

700
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,200
all over the place and uh as i said that

701
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,640
the big problem

702
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,720
is the fact that we're looking for these

703
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,799
things in the oceans and

704
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:45,760
um and that's not an easy thing to do

705
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,480
you know

706
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:48,159
it's really the case of being in the

707
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,520
right place

708
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,679
at the right time that's kind of exactly

709
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,720
the same

710
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:55,279
with uh like lake monsters you know in

711
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,240
some of the

712
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,240
larger lakes that have these creatures

713
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,760
in them you know

714
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:01,360
it's you've got to be really in the

715
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,799
right place at the right time i think

716
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:07,520
now i i know you and i have discussed

717
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,480
this in the past

718
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,760
but you know do you believe that nessie

719
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:14,000
or the loch ness monster or other lake

720
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,279
monsters

721
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,440
originally inhabited the oceans or do

722
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:19,120
they actually

723
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,799
oceans into these lakes

724
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,520
well yeah i mean there's no doubt in my

725
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,279
mind that there's something

726
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:31,840
weird in the lock in the loch ness

727
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,399
itself

728
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,559
now for people who may not know loch

729
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:36,559
ness it's called lock

730
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:39,919
loch but it's just lock is actually just

731
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,559
a scottish word for lake so all it

732
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,200
really means is is lake ness

733
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:48,320
um now reports of the loch ness monster

734
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,120
go back

735
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,600
that's roughly around about uh one and a

736
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,279
half thousand years

737
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,399
and this story comes from saint columba

738
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,039
who was uh from ireland and he came over

739
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:00,799
to england to try and

740
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:03,919
convert people to christianity

741
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,600
and in his um journals he talked about

742
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:10,159
how a man was attacked and killed and

743
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,200
dragged down

744
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,679
by this strange creature in the river

745
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:15,840
nests now the river nest actually sort

746
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:16,159
of

747
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,840
bleeds into loch ness and so

748
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,000
you know the the earliest story very

749
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,080
credible story as i said goes back

750
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,200
roughly around about 1500 years ago

751
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,720
and there have been sporadic reports um

752
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,360
in the years and centuries afterwards

753
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:34,799
but the

754
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,600
the sort of proliferation of the report

755
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,080
started in the early 1930s

756
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,640
and the the main reason why that was

757
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,919
almost certainly

758
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:46,399
was because up until that point loch

759
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,279
ness was

760
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,760
really difficult to get around you know

761
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,960
there weren't actually

762
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,960
any really good roads and it was only

763
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:55,760
until 1933

764
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,760
that um this sort of a large um

765
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,679
amount of roads were built so people

766
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,360
could go out there and have holidays and

767
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,919
vacations and go and sit by the river

768
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,919
that's when people started to see these

769
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,679
creatures because it was so difficult to

770
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,200
say that otherwise

771
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,360
um and you know every year there's

772
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:14,799
probably five or six

773
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,640
seven eight um you know very credible

774
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,679
reports

775
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,120
um and you know so in that sense

776
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,919
something is going on but it's difficult

777
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:27,919
to say for sure what they are now the

778
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,200
the overriding theory that so many

779
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,960
people have and particularly like the

780
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,600
scottish

781
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,919
tourist board is that they want them to

782
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,559
be placious ors you know which were

783
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:41,039
marine reptiles which existed millions

784
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,240
of years ago

785
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,720
when the um when the dinosaurs were

786
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,320
around they weren't dinosaurs but they

787
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:48,000
lived at the same time

788
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:51,240
now the problem with them being um

789
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:54,799
plesiosaurs is the fact that

790
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:57,840
like crack crocodiles and alligators

791
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,880
uh plesiosaurs had to

792
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,080
uh surface roughly about every 20 to 25

793
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,279
minutes so to get air so

794
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:10,000
if you've got let's say hypothetically a

795
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:10,720
colony

796
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,640
of 15 nesses and they're all

797
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,519
marine reptiles like alligators and and

798
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:18,960
crocodiles

799
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,399
each of one of those 15 nessies would

800
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:23,919
have to surface

801
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,679
about every 45 minutes so you should be

802
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,799
seeing them

803
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,440
literally all the time but we only get

804
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,120
to see them very rarely

805
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,960
which gives the you know sort of the

806
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,480
idea that they're not

807
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,399
plessy sores and of course the fact that

808
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,679
plesiosaurs

809
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,840
about their remains fossilized remains

810
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,080
have only ever been found in the oceans

811
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,640
which are salt water whereas loch ness

812
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,919
is fresh water

813
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,679
right but there's another intriguing

814
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:51,919
angle which i'm sort of particularly

815
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:55,919
interested in is the fact that um

816
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,880
that the loch ness itself is a very

817
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,519
weird

818
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,840
place and there's a lot of supernatural

819
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,080
stuff going on there for example

820
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:07,039
um aleister crowley the famous occultist

821
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,919
magician

822
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,760
he had a house on the shores of loch

823
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,600
ness called burlesque in house

824
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,760
and this was um this sort of ancient

825
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:15,279
house and um

826
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,799
and um and crowley himself performed all

827
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,080
sorts of rituals

828
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,880
at loch ness to try and summon up

829
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,480
demonic entities

830
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,960
and have been a lot of weird ufo

831
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,000
encounters a lot

832
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,440
ness and um actually we we talked to

833
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,840
you know before we actually started the

834
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,080
the interview you know talking about

835
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,279
um human sacrifice in the uk

836
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,760
centuries ago and that was something

837
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:43,440
that was rumored to go on

838
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,039
in loch ness in uh centuries ago so i

839
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,399
one of my sort of pet theories is that

840
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,399
you know the nessies so to speak are

841
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,519
possibly

842
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:56,240
far more supernatural in nature than

843
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,279
they are

844
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,799
in sort of flesh and blood um just giant

845
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:02,559
snakes or giant

846
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,240
eels or whatever yeah i was going to ask

847
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,679
you about the possible connection of

848
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,200
alexa crowley

849
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,840
uh his beliefs and and and loch ness

850
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,039
monster

851
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,399
uh do you think that there's any

852
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:18,000
residual

853
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:26,080
from crowley in his and his rituals that

854
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,640
may

855
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,600
actually still be affecting what's going

856
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,600
on at loch ness

857
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,840
oh yeah i do i mean i wrote a book

858
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,600
actually on the loch ness monster with

859
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,799
the um

860
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,159
with the stunningly uh original title of

861
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:46,549
and um and that entire book is about the

862
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,200
sort of

863
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,840
the supernatural side of all this but um

864
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:51,279
but yeah when you're sort of talking

865
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:52,000
about

866
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,000
um crowley himself i mean he lived in

867
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,919
burlesque in house this ancient house

868
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,440
near the shores of loch ness for a

869
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,799
number of years

870
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,519
and he said that he could feel these

871
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,880
weird vibes

872
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,480
you know when he first went into the

873
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,639
house to see if he if he wanted to live

874
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,520
there

875
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,560
and um when friends and colleagues

876
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:15,839
would visit they would feel this sort of

877
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,440
sense of darkness and fear and um

878
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,280
and just a couple of times in the last

879
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,359
few years it's been burned down

880
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:26,320
and you know nobody really knows who's

881
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,440
done that

882
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,000
um but you know when you talk about some

883
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,599
sort of residual

884
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,320
energy or some sort of atmosphere being

885
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,679
left behind

886
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,040
i mean most people who go there feel

887
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,359
you know that it is a weird and strange

888
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:43,520
place which it actually is

889
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:46,639
um in 1974

890
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,760
a well-known um nessie seeker named ted

891
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:50,800
holliday

892
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,079
um had a close encounter with like a

893
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:55,839
literal man in black

894
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,960
who literally dematerialized in front of

895
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,680
him

896
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,880
and um and people different people have

897
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,160
described the nessies

898
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:05,920
as looking different almost as if

899
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,320
they're shape-shifters some people have

900
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,560
described them as sort of like

901
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:13,680
wriggling worm type creatures other

902
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,160
people

903
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:16,320
said they're absolutely sure they saw

904
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,280
something

905
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,400
like a plesiosaur um one man

906
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,760
a diver who was actually trying to um

907
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,560
salvage material out of a sunken ship he

908
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:28,800
said he swore he saw something

909
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:32,320
uh like a giant frog and another man a

910
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,359
military guy

911
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,480
in the early part of the 20th century he

912
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,079
swore that what he saw

913
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,720
looked just like a camel so you know

914
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:42,960
this has given rise to the idea

915
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:45,839
are the nessies kind of shape-shifters

916
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,640
you know

917
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,800
um which takes us into it another

918
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:50,560
category then

919
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:54,079
oh yeah you know i uh i i think you

920
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,960
brought this up

921
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,119
when you we talked about it before that

922
00:36:03,030 --> 00:35:58,960
at one point

923
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,040
uh out into the north

924
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,720
out in the north sea and along some of

925
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:06,880
the shorelines that

926
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,160
there were large carcasses

927
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,920
found on on some of the shorelines

928
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,160
yeah you're right and um it's not so

929
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,720
much just found on the shore but um

930
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,880
you know there are a number of reports

931
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,560
and people some people don't realize

932
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,560
this but there probably are around about

933
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:26,880
30 or 40 reports

934
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,079
of people having seen these creatures

935
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,000
on the shores of loch ness you know

936
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,720
we're talking about sort of very briefly

937
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,960
basking and some of the people have said

938
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,520
that when they saw these creatures

939
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,839
and the creatures saw them they kind of

940
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,960
lumbered off

941
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,280
in a very awkward way kind of like you

942
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:46,720
know if you look at something like a

943
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,440
seal

944
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,119
you know and it swims through the water

945
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:50,560
it's sort of really

946
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,320
fast and sleek but you put us a seal

947
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:57,520
you know on the land and you know it

948
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,640
kind of

949
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,640
sort of wobbles around like it's drunk

950
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,839
you know

951
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,760
because they just they're just not sort

952
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,560
of you know sort of really given to that

953
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,320
kind of environment

954
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,079
and a lot of people have described that

955
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,240
with the loch ness monsters that

956
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,880
they've seen them you know moving fast

957
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,400
and seeing this fast wake

958
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,599
going through the water but you see them

959
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,400
in the marshes and in the the dense

960
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,280
woods

961
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,480
uh where the where the waters begin it's

962
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,680
literally like the you know they're

963
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,440
stumbling around drunken

964
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,079
uh because they're just not used to you

965
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:33,760
know being able to

966
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:37,119
operate so you know but then again that

967
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,000
sort of

968
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,720
raises the question how can you have

969
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:41,839
something that is

970
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,760
part paranormal apart flesh and blood

971
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,920
you know that's and i guess that's kind

972
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,800
of like

973
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,240
some of the things you've looked into

974
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,240
you know like the flying humanoids they

975
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,680
seem to be flying entities

976
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,200
but then there seems to be like a

977
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,359
paranormal aspect to them as well

978
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,079
yeah i think that's one of the i think

979
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,760
that's one of the toughest thing

980
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:06,000
when i say tough is i don't mean from

981
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,119
being skeptical

982
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,440
but diffic but tough to try and

983
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:10,720
understand

984
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:14,079
you know how um you know how one of

985
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:14,480
these

986
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,000
that creatures can be supernatural

987
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,359
but physical at the same time you know

988
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,680
yeah i don't i believe many of these

989
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:25,599
cryptids that we deal with

990
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:29,040
seem to have a supernatural aspect to

991
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:29,520
them

992
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,839
anyway i mean they they seem to

993
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:32,560
disappear

994
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,400
or they seem to manifest suddenly

995
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,200
or they have qualities where they uh

996
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:41,440
seem to affect the witnesses

997
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:45,839
uh that see them uh you know it is it

998
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:46,320
and

999
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:50,640
as far as these these water creatures i

1000
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,680
if they are if they do exist i would

1001
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,599
have no doubt that they had some type of

1002
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,400
supernatural ability as well

1003
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,440
well yeah and uh for me i mean

1004
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,119
there's a lot of people who viewed the

1005
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,680
nessies as just as i said earlier

1006
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,119
you know surviving pockets of

1007
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:09,520
plesiosaurs which i don't think

1008
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,520
is adequate enough um now i think the

1009
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:16,079
if they were flesh and blood animals and

1010
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,040
they are

1011
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,960
blessed with animals i would go down the

1012
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,640
path of something like

1013
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:23,200
giant eels maybe something like that

1014
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,400
right uh because

1015
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,040
because eels are actually fish and they

1016
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:28,880
can leave the water

1017
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,640
however that doesn't um you know explain

1018
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,720
the whole thing with aleister crowley

1019
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,119
and you know his rituals and his rights

1020
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,359
and his crazy orgies and all sorts of

1021
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,040
things

1022
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,320
and it doesn't also you know explain

1023
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,720
the numerous reports where people have

1024
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:48,640
said they've tried to photograph these

1025
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:49,599
creatures

1026
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,800
only for the cameras to to jam

1027
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:55,440
or the pictures don't come out properly

1028
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,079
there's so

1029
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,280
much like that um but the problem is

1030
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,839
that so many people who are in just in

1031
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,400
mainstream cryptozoologists

1032
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,640
um they just won't touch the

1033
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,319
supernatural aspects

1034
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:11,520
of this but for me you know i think

1035
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:14,880
the the nessie mystery is an ideal

1036
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:17,760
example of what it means when you talk

1037
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,240
about

1038
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,960
like a supernatural lake monster i think

1039
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,240
there's something

1040
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,680
way way more beyond than just unknown

1041
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:27,520
animals i think we're dealing something

1042
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:28,160
that

1043
00:40:34,829 --> 00:40:31,760
arguably it may not even should be

1044
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,839
in the category of um you know of

1045
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,000
cryptozoology

1046
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,440
maybe they should actually be in the

1047
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,520
field of the paranormal

1048
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:42,160
and the supernatural and possibly even

1049
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,119
the occult

1050
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,040
you know i think a lot of these reports

1051
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,119
should actually be in those categories

1052
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,160
not actually in cryptozoology

1053
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:52,480
well i'll be honest with you i i've kind

1054
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:53,280
of blended

1055
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,480
cryptozoology and the paranormal and

1056
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,960
other aspects of you know the

1057
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,599
supernatural together now for years

1058
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,920
because it just seems too crazy not to

1059
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,800
think

1060
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:07,280
that there's some type of connection i

1061
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:08,400
mean you know

1062
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,440
i mean of course they're going to be

1063
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,520
people that push back on this

1064
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,839
and i you know it's it i think people a

1065
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,520
little bit more open-minded than they

1066
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,640
used to be

1067
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,880
but still uh there are a lot of people

1068
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,480
out there that believe that this flesh

1069
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,760
or blood theory

1070
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,560
is absolute and there's no way it can be

1071
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,040
a paranormal entity

1072
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:29,520
well yeah and i mean i think a perfect

1073
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,319
example

1074
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,560
similar to this would be with the math

1075
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,520
man in point pleasant west virginia now

1076
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,640
you know things began with this flying

1077
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:41,680
humanoid type creature but then in no

1078
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,319
time

1079
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,640
you had the men in black on the scene

1080
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,480
ufo encounters

1081
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:49,680
the creepy character named injury cold

1082
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,359
and so kind of like the situation

1083
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,560
that's mirrored at loch ness what we saw

1084
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,839
at point pleasant

1085
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:00,960
was this sort of blending together

1086
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,400
of ufos of men in black

1087
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,040
and mothman you know so you've got the

1088
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,079
ufo angle the weird paranormal angle

1089
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,960
and the strange creature angle and um

1090
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,880
and i don't really understand why so

1091
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:16,880
many people in the field

1092
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,560
sort of um steer away from this side

1093
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,240
you know whether it's they're sort of

1094
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,599
worried about you know what their peers

1095
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,400
and their comrades and colleagues think

1096
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,800
about it for me you know i don't

1097
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:33,520
really care i just tell it as it is and

1098
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,400
if people

1099
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,319
like what i like that's great if they

1100
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,640
don't well that's how it goes you know

1101
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,680
i'm gonna lose

1102
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,560
no sleep over the fact that somebody

1103
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:44,240
doesn't like the fact that i think the

1104
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:44,960
nessies

1105
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:48,160
are supernatural i think they are i can

1106
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:49,200
only tell it

1107
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:52,960
as i see it um but i think belief

1108
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,800
um plays into this a lot you know people

1109
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,920
are sort of born into this sort of that

1110
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,560
place

1111
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,040
i'm scared with that plesiosaurs or you

1112
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,440
know bigfoot is a gigantopithecus

1113
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,240
ancient ape you know i think there's far

1114
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,440
more to this but

1115
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,319
um when a lot of people get into this

1116
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,240
weirder side and they don't like it and

1117
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,839
it freaks them out

1118
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,319
they kind of you know they they move

1119
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,240
away from it

1120
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,160
well i'm right in the same boot with you

1121
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,760
brother i uh i've been

1122
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,000
hearing all that ever since i've been

1123
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,520
doing this

1124
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,720
i can definitely understand that now um

1125
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,480
you know when you talk about lake

1126
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:33,920
monsters or

1127
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:37,200
lake creatures um they all seem to be

1128
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,280
and i'm talking like champ pepe ogopogo

1129
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,520
you know the whole nine yards they all

1130
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,280
seem to be a serpent team

1131
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,400
like a bean uh

1132
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,240
now of course there have been some

1133
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,520
photographs taken

1134
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,240
i i think the most interesting video

1135
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,319
taken was the abc video

1136
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,240
at lake champlain that you know of

1137
00:44:03,510 --> 00:43:59,440
course this

1138
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,520
long dark serpentine creature

1139
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:05,520
i mean that you know almost looked like

1140
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,480
a huge eel of some type but

1141
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,880
uh and you know you talked about the

1142
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,680
eels

1143
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,119
that maybe these aren't some type of

1144
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,160
i don't know some type of overgrown eel

1145
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,760
or another species

1146
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,480
that we just don't know about well

1147
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,319
actually that's a good point because one

1148
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,520
of the

1149
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:28,400
the big problems if you like which gets

1150
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:28,880
things

1151
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,079
really confused is the fact that

1152
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,800
i don't think we can place all of these

1153
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,079
things into a category

1154
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,960
of the paranormal of the occult and but

1155
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,319
by the same token

1156
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,720
i don't think we can place them you know

1157
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,160
as totally just

1158
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,960
flesh and blood and the problem is

1159
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:47,760
people

1160
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:51,680
want it to be this or they want it to be

1161
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,240
that

1162
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,800
they want to be nailed down as this

1163
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,800
particular scenario

1164
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:59,440
and unfortunately you know so many of

1165
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,160
these

1166
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:03,520
cryptid cases you cannot apply

1167
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,800
that kind of strict scenario

1168
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,839
to those cases and um

1169
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,000
so i think you know we could actually be

1170
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,680
looking at things like

1171
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:16,240
in the in the lakes for example giant

1172
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:16,880
eels

1173
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,960
things like that but others seem to be

1174
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,720
like i said with crowley you know more

1175
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:24,240
of an occult type

1176
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,920
entity and in just the same way

1177
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,680
you know you look at some of these

1178
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,960
stories they

1179
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,280
even come out you know with champ in

1180
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,960
like in lake champlain

1181
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,119
i mean there's although most of the

1182
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,040
reports people have described seeing

1183
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,800
this sort of long creature

1184
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:43,440
there are a few supernatural aspects and

1185
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:44,319
um

1186
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,720
native american people of that

1187
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:51,520
of the earlier eras you know they didn't

1188
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,079
believe

1189
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,119
the those creatures were just

1190
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:57,280
unknown animals you know that they were

1191
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,240
something

1192
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:01,119
supernatural to be sort of both feared

1193
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,520
and

1194
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,640
revered yeah that kind of gets lost in

1195
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,520
the whole

1196
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,720
genre of this uh that you know

1197
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,680
early on the native peoples didn't

1198
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,359
really describe these as

1199
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,440
natural beings with supernatural or

1200
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:16,960
spirits

1201
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,839
yeah well yes spirit walkers i mean you

1202
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,400
can find them everywhere for example

1203
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,200
um interesting enough in scotland in the

1204
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,480
particularly in the

1205
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,720
northern parts of scotland or the

1206
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:29,680
further northern

1207
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:33,040
parts of scotland um you had stories

1208
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,920
going back

1209
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:36,319
about 300 years of what were known as

1210
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:37,359
kelpies

1211
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,000
shape shifters and they would

1212
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,880
manifest in the form of like a beautiful

1213
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:47,760
woman

1214
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,040
and she would stand or eat but it would

1215
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,880
be would literally be in it but it would

1216
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,040
present itself as a sheet

1217
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,599
and she would stand near the um the

1218
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,240
edges of the lock the ancient locks

1219
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,560
and they would have this sort of ability

1220
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,160
to hypnotize men

1221
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,800
and bring them towards the water and the

1222
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,359
story was that they would sort of drag

1223
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,400
men into the the depths of the scottish

1224
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,560
locks and steal their souls

1225
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:17,440
and i said they were known as kelpies

1226
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,760
and

1227
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,240
the word kelpie um is an ancient

1228
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,359
scottish

1229
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,480
word for water horse and the reason

1230
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,559
being that supposedly they could take

1231
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,720
on the form of not just a beautiful

1232
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:30,720
woman but also

1233
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:34,319
um like a black horse which would drag

1234
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:34,800
people

1235
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:38,160
into the water so again you know you've

1236
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,040
got this

1237
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,640
crossover of supernatural creatures

1238
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:45,280
versus something that looks like a horse

1239
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,160
until

1240
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,400
you know the very last second you know

1241
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,160
you're sort of hauled

1242
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,040
down 500 feet into the depths you know

1243
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,960
and um

1244
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,640
and waiting for whatever comes after

1245
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,160
death you know yeah

1246
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:01,359
um but i think i think one of the big

1247
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,160
problems

1248
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:05,520
as i see it is that cryptozoology as a

1249
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,160
field

1250
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,040
isn't wide and open enough and

1251
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:10,640
open-minded enough

1252
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,720
to take on you know the the supernatural

1253
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,160
side of it i mean i get

1254
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,359
that so often you know with um

1255
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,359
things like the dog men you know the dog

1256
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,800
man phenomenon

1257
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,720
there's no way in my mind that those are

1258
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,480
just um

1259
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,400
you know just an upright wolf type

1260
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:29,920
creature i think there's

1261
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,040
something far beyond that and

1262
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:35,119
a lot of the you know sort of the

1263
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,079
lesser-known

1264
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,000
flying humanoids everybody's heard of

1265
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,760
mothman but there's a lot of other ones

1266
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:41,359
you know there's bat squatch and the

1267
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,400
owlman

1268
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:44,400
and all these different ones but there

1269
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:46,640
always seems to be a weird aspect to

1270
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:47,280
them but

1271
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,280
um you know a lot of people in

1272
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,720
cryptozoology i mean trying to convince

1273
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,599
them it's like

1274
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,280
i don't know what it's like but it's a

1275
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,440
hell of a pain in the neck you know

1276
00:49:00,710 --> 00:49:00,000
well i mean when your witnesses start

1277
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,720
seeing

1278
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,720
saying that they see glowing eyes on one

1279
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,000
of these things

1280
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,200
uh the first thing you can you got to

1281
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:08,559
say is well that's not

1282
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:12,480
natural i mean there's something else

1283
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,079
with this you know uh you know and the

1284
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,760
one you know many of the reports we have

1285
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,599
been receiving are these

1286
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:22,400
these entities do have wings but they

1287
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:23,119
have

1288
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,319
some type of propulsion that doesn't

1289
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,839
even use the wings

1290
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,359
so i mean yeah you're right there's a

1291
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,440
lot of different aspects of

1292
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,359
a lot of these cryptids that you know

1293
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,680
are just not natural

1294
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:38,400
yeah and i think one of the most

1295
00:49:41,309 --> 00:49:39,440
important things

1296
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,319
is that you know a lot of people in

1297
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,280
cryptozoology say well this can't be

1298
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,400
true this this

1299
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,160
you know this doesn't tie in with what i

1300
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,240
think but the fact is

1301
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,160
the words you know the data that we're

1302
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,000
getting are coming from the witnesses

1303
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,760
and i always tell people

1304
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,559
whether it's ufology or ghost hunting

1305
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,079
which i don't know much about but you

1306
00:50:03,670 --> 00:49:59,760
know whether it's ufos

1307
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,680
ghost hunting big forts ufos

1308
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,640
the fact is the most important people

1309
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,400
are the witnesses

1310
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,880
and you know for people to say well this

1311
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,480
just cannot be true

1312
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,319
when they weren't actually there but the

1313
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,000
witnesses were there and they knew

1314
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,000
exactly what they saw

1315
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,559
you know that's an important thing we

1316
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,680
should not

1317
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,559
ignore or skew the evidence that's

1318
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:26,640
giving us from the witnesses we should

1319
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:27,440
actually

1320
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,200
you know go directly with the evidence

1321
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,400
and the data from the witnesses and go

1322
00:50:38,829 --> 00:50:35,760
on their words because

1323
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,839
they were there we were not there you

1324
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,000
know

1325
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:42,559
yeah that's it i mean i always give a

1326
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,040
witness

1327
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,720
the benefit of the doubt until i prove

1328
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,240
otherwise and most of the time you know

1329
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:48,240
when you talk to them you know they saw

1330
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,960
something

1331
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,960
or let's put this way you know they

1332
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,640
think they saw something

1333
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,960
and that's what they're expressing to

1334
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,960
you and when they

1335
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:59,359
finally do come to you you're part of

1336
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,000
that then

1337
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,480
and uh yeah that's where the evidence

1338
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:03,920
lies and of course you're going to get

1339
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,190
from people that just you know are

1340
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:11,040
skeptical of it but that's just the way

1341
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:12,079
it is

1342
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,280
you know you're talking about the

1343
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,079
kelpies you know that can almost be

1344
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,880
compared to the mermaid reports that

1345
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:21,200
used to come out of the caribbean

1346
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,559
by the early sailors and uh you know

1347
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,160
these beings that

1348
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,319
was like sirens i would suppose where

1349
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,319
they'd grab a

1350
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,760
grab a sail off a boat or and and take

1351
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,520
him to the depths and kill him i mean

1352
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:36,800
you know

1353
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:40,960
then i mean i know some people try to

1354
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,280
say

1355
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,680
that that they were actually seeing

1356
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:45,200
manatees and

1357
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,119
you know this miss uh characterizing

1358
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,880
them as these

1359
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,400
mermaids though that's hard for me to

1360
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,359
believe unless they're shape-shifting

1361
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,760
yeah and again you know um you can see

1362
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,839
sort of strange things in the oceans

1363
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,200
which eventually

1364
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,280
you know were proved to still exist like

1365
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,359
for example for example the sealer camp

1366
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,640
this um

1367
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,480
old fish you know going back millions of

1368
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:10,160
years which everybody thought had become

1369
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,200
extinct

1370
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,520
and but it was found you know in the

1371
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,440
1930s off the coast of

1372
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:17,760
um south africa but then on the other

1373
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:18,640
side

1374
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,440
you've got you know as you said um like

1375
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:22,800
the sirens

1376
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:26,240
and mermaids and mermaid and that kind

1377
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,359
of thing

1378
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,559
so i think so many people want it to fit

1379
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,000
into one category but the

1380
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,280
fact is it just these things just don't

1381
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:37,920
fit into one category and if you try and

1382
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,640
do that you know it just causes more and

1383
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:42,480
more problems in them

1384
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:46,559
yep you're right uh

1385
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,599
you know i had one of my readers sent me

1386
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,440
a question when they found out that you

1387
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,280
were going to be on this week

1388
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,599
and they asked me to ask you so here it

1389
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,559
is

1390
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:58,720
uh or alligators in the new york sewer

1391
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:01,760
system a myth

1392
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,280
no that that's really true now

1393
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:08,880
the there actually is a genuine report

1394
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:11,200
which you can find in the new york times

1395
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:12,880
in the 1930s

1396
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,720
and a small alligator was actually found

1397
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:19,440
in the depths of the new new york city

1398
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:20,880
sewer system

1399
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,240
but most of the other stories um

1400
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:27,599
are pretty much um like friend of a

1401
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:28,480
friend

1402
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:31,760
type stories however when you've got one

1403
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:36,400
absolutely 100 um genuine story

1404
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,599
um then that sort of begs the question

1405
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:41,280
well what if some of those other you

1406
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,800
know there was another one there or a

1407
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,760
few more

1408
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,920
and they mated you know and that there

1409
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,119
could be more

1410
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:50,160
i mean i think we would know if there

1411
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:51,520
was sort of

1412
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,200
um you know sort of 20 or 30

1413
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,240
15 foot long you know crocodiles or

1414
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,640
alligators roaming around

1415
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,880
you know eating on all the the guys who

1416
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,800
sort of clean out the sewers we would

1417
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:05,280
know

1418
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,520
really cool scenario

1419
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,559
you know these sort of man eating um

1420
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,880
alligators under new york i mean it's

1421
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:16,720
it's a great story

1422
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:20,640
um but what i can say for absolute sure

1423
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,400
is that one was actually found um

1424
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,800
in the sewers of new york and he did

1425
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,319
create briefly

1426
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,760
a lot of amazements you know um

1427
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,160
but that's a big difference from them so

1428
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,640
as i said you know sort of um

1429
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,680
mating and then you know something

1430
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,680
a scenario like on one of these cheap

1431
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,720
sci-fi channel movies

1432
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,799
with these actors who way past their

1433
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,040
time

1434
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,799
you know i used to enjoy the story where

1435
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,640
people would say if a new yorker would

1436
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,960
go down to florida for vacation they'd

1437
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,359
they'd buy a baby alligator bring it

1438
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:59,280
home put in the bathtub till it got too

1439
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,000
big

1440
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,480
and then they take down the sewer well

1441
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,760
you know

1442
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:05,119
first of all i'd like to know how to

1443
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,319
figure out how to get it out of the

1444
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,640
bathtub and down into the sewer

1445
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,400
so well you know it's interesting you

1446
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,400
say that because i can actually see

1447
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,040
some people doing that it's almost like

1448
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,280
you know you create the folklore

1449
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,280
yourself you know people know about

1450
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:20,640
these stories

1451
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,839
and um you know it's kind of a situation

1452
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,760
well why don't we sort of

1453
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,880
you know sort of um kick the the

1454
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,960
folklore level to an even

1455
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:32,720
bigger level you know let's get some

1456
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,079
fewer alligators and drop them in the uh

1457
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,280
you know in the sewers but um

1458
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,760
but you know it's it's that again that's

1459
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:44,160
sort of one of these situations where

1460
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,160
folklore and truth um kind of blend

1461
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,200
um two things together but um

1462
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,160
the the story itself was actually this

1463
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,240
this one legitimate story goes back to

1464
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,319
february 1935

1465
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:59,839
and as i said it was published in the

1466
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:02,799
new york times and the story was titled

1467
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,319
alligator found in uptown uptown sewer

1468
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,200
youth shoveling snow see the animal

1469
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,200
churning in icy water

1470
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,400
which is like a really cool um title

1471
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,440
and the main the primary

1472
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,760
person who had their job of looking into

1473
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,400
this uh was a guy named teddy may

1474
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,799
and he was the commissioner of sewers in

1475
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:25,920
new york

1476
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,119
and teddy may was the guy who pretty

1477
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:32,079
much uh began the investigations and put

1478
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:32,559
all the

1479
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:35,440
files and the witness testimony together

1480
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:36,240
but as i said

1481
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,000
it was not a huge body of data it was

1482
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:42,319
just in the 30s and it just revolved

1483
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,200
around

1484
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,839
what teddy may collected from people in

1485
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:46,799
the area

1486
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:50,160
and the rest of it was pretty much um

1487
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:53,359
you know exaggeration and people kind of

1488
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,480
you know spreading stories probably

1489
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,440
you know there there is one fish story

1490
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,480
that i know is

1491
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,520
is an actual fish that i

1492
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,079
i find fascinating and i've heard so

1493
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:10,160
many rumors about this are those wells

1494
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:11,040
catfish

1495
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:14,880
in central and southern europe he's huge

1496
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,480
behemoth catfish and people claim that

1497
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,319
these are man-eaters what do you believe

1498
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:21,760
in that

1499
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:25,680
well i mean catfish can grow to um

1500
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,960
huge sizes and uh again there are rumors

1501
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:30,640
of people being swallowed

1502
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,640
um live and in one piece you know by um

1503
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:37,040
by huge catfish and um there was

1504
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:37,760
actually

1505
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,880
a very controversial story which

1506
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:42,400
actually proved to be real

1507
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:45,680
um in the uk up in the north of england

1508
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:49,599
um when from around about

1509
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:54,240
2000 to about 2003 at a place called um

1510
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:57,680
maul and mia and um people were seeing

1511
00:58:03,109 --> 00:57:58,160
this

1512
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,119
coming out the water and

1513
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:06,240
and some of the wildfowl on the on the

1514
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:07,280
mir itself

1515
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:11,200
vanishing and um a zoologist who camped

1516
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,720
out there and spent a lot of time there

1517
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,040
richard freeman a good friend of mine

1518
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,359
who's uh he used to work as a full-time

1519
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,720
zoologist in england

1520
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,799
and uh and then he moved into the field

1521
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,280
of cryptozoologist and richard

1522
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,839
um actually had a quick view of one of

1523
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,240
these things it was absolutely sure

1524
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,280
that it was a large catfish now you know

1525
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:32,640
the idea of seeing

1526
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,400
a catfish of 9 to 12 feet long in the uk

1527
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,720
little old england you know it's sort of

1528
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:39,680
almost

1529
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,119
unbelievable but you know nature finds

1530
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:45,760
ways very often to survive

1531
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:48,799
and you know you release an exec

1532
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:52,720
exotic pet into a lake or a river

1533
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,040
etc etc you know mother nature survives

1534
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:00,240
and um so it doesn't surprise me at all

1535
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:01,760
that occasionally

1536
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:04,799
you know that large catfish have been

1537
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,359
seen

1538
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,079
and primarily it's probably because like

1539
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:09,599
a lot of exotic

1540
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,280
animals that are originally kept as pets

1541
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,040
you know they get bigger and bigger and

1542
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,119
people can't look after them

1543
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,200
they don't want to kill them obviously

1544
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,280
and so they release them into a large

1545
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:22,559
body of water

1546
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,000
and then maybe six weeks later somebody

1547
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:27,839
sees part of their body come out of the

1548
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,640
water

1549
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,400
and it becomes known as the local

1550
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:33,599
monster you know

1551
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,640
so so again it doesn't surprise me

1552
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,400
you know that there would be something

1553
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:40,400
like you know catfish roaming around

1554
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,280
which

1555
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,880
you know i mean you know when you see

1556
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,319
these people you know

1557
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:46,720
sort of sticking their hands down the

1558
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,760
throat of a catfish you know i mean

1559
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:52,319
that's not the good idea to do that

1560
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,359
really but i mean

1561
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,400
it becomes part of the folklore you know

1562
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,880
trying to catch a giant catfish all

1563
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,559
these noodlers yeah

1564
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,359
i i i find that a bit bizarre anyways

1565
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,880
but

1566
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,280
yeah i think i'll just stick my uh arm

1567
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,359
all the way down and catch your [\h__\h]

1568
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:11,599
yeah i mean yeah that's like really good

1569
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,760
thing to do on a sunday afternoon

1570
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,440
i tell you thanks for coming on the show

1571
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:19,359
tonight we're going to have to

1572
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,040
get back together and uh when this

1573
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,799
the martian book comes out i definitely

1574
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:26,799
want to read that and i do want to talk

1575
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,000
to you about

1576
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:31,359
these human mutilation cases in the uk

1577
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,200
and uh again thanks for coming on

1578
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,760
i hope things kind of loosen up a bit so

1579
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:39,520
you can start getting out on the lecture

1580
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:40,400
circuit

1581
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,000
and such very soon and uh

1582
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:46,319
just take care hopefully you know i mean

1583
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,799
it's just one of these situations where

1584
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,160
you know i'd love to get back doing

1585
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,480
lectures and conferences and

1586
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,880
but then you got you know going through

1587
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:56,319
flights and

1588
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,000
you know gates and yeah you know

1589
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,400
crammed into airports still you know

1590
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:05,119
planes it's um

1591
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,150
yeah i i agree with you so but

1592
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:14,480
you stay safe and i'll be talking to you

1593
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,520
soon

1594
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,839
yeah you too look after yourself take

1595
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:18,720
care

1596
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,799
all right now if you have an unexplained

1597
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,799
account or setting feel free to contact

1598
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,480
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1599
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:28,319
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1600
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1601
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1602
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,440
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1603
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1604
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1605
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,319
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1606
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1607
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:45,599
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1608
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,480
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1609
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:49,920
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1610
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,799
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1611
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,680
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1612
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,760
so i once again thank nick redfern for

1613
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,200
joining me this evening and i want to

1614
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,119
thank you for listening to the show

1615
01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:01,200
stay healthy have a safe and enjoyable